
There are several organizations that try to help gay mormons diminish their feelings of attraction for other men. The group Evergreen and Matis Firesides are not officially sponsored by the Mormon Church, but they follow Mormon teachings.
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MoHo: Mormon homosexual.
MoHommie: A friend of Mormon homosexuals.
MoHo Chica: A Mormon lesbian or female friend to male Mormon homosexuals.
There’s an entire subculture within the Mormon church that caters specifically to homosexuals, said Beau Rushton (name has been changed upon request), a USU student, who is a Mormon and a homosexual.
“We are literally everywhere,” Rushton said. “We’re in your singles ward, we’re passing the sacrament and we’re sitting next to you in priesthood meetings.”
Rushton has always known he was gay.
“I tried to avoid anything that would be associated with being gay,” Rushton said. “I wouldn’t wear nice or colorful clothing. I would only talk about masculine things.”
Rushton went on a mission for the Mormon church and thought being attracted to men was just a phase that would disappear.
It didn’t.
“Sometimes I get so frustrated with God,” Rushton said. “I wonder why he has put me through this, why I have to deal with it.”
After two years, Rushton came home and started dating the same girl he dated in high school, Jill Marychild (name has been changed).
Despite being the best of friends and having plenty in common, there was just one issue that wouldn’t go away: Rushton was still attracted to men.
“I decided to come out to her,” Rushton said. “But it didn’t go over well. It was really hard for her.”
Marychild felt like if she were skinnier or more attractive then Rushton wouldn’t be gay, he said.
“The truth was, she was a girl that’s what I wasn’t attracted to,” Rushton said.
After a relationship of five years, Rushton and Marychild broke it off.
Rushton felt he was faced with the choice of whether to keep going to church or to abandon his faith and pursue a relationship with a man. He said he didn’t feel like there was any middle ground he felt like he could either “live the gay lifestyle” or “live a lie in the church,” he said.
“I am gay,” Rushton said. “That’s not something that is going to change. But I also want to stay in the church. I could never let that go.”
The official Web site for the Mormon church, www.lds.org, has this to say about its stance on homosexuality, “People inquire about our position on those who consider themselves so-called gays and lesbians ... If they do not act upon these inclinations, then they can go forward as do all other members of the church.”
However, according to The Deseret News, the Mormon church’s stance has changed and there has been extensive research to determine whether gay people would be able to become straight. The Mormon church no longer officially advises gay men to get married to women or that their attraction to men will go away. The Mormon church advocates lifetime celibacy for gays and lesbians.
There are several organizations, such as Evergreen, that try to help gay Mormons either diminish their feelings of attraction for other men. The group Evergreen is not officially sponsored by the Mormon church, but the two are closely affiliated and Evergreen has church officials on its council and closely follows the Mormon doctrine.
Another group, known as the Matis Firesides, is not officially sponsored by the Mormon church, but it also follows Mormon teachings. It’s monthly meetings in Utah County attract around 150 attendees, Rushton said.
North Star is an online forum where gay Mormons can interact anonymously. It’s a Web site meant to help gay Mormons support one another, but it is not a dating site. North Star is where Rushton got the idea to start a blog recounting his struggles.
His blog, www.hiddeninthelight.wordpress.com, now has more than 75 followers and Rushton has started his own series of meetings called Logansides. The group meets monthly, everyone is invited and around 40 people regularly attend. The gatherings are announced on the site www.logansides.wordpress.com.
“My struggle isn’t being gay,” Rushton said. “I love being gay. It’s the conflict and finding a balance in life. That’s what I struggle with.”
After Rushton realized that there are lots of other Mormons out there who are gay, he didn’t feel so alone. It can be a difficult position to go to church and also be gay.
“When I first realized I wasn’t the only one like this, it was like a huge weight was lifted off my shoulders,” Beau said. “I felt so good. I didn’t feel alone.”
Another path
Not all of those that are raised Mormon and are gay try to live the doctrine of their church. Some people, like USU sophomore Tyler Okelberry decide to leave their religion.
There is extreme pressure in the Mormon religion to avoid all things gay, Okelberry said.
Okelberry recalls one particular morning when his mother brought in the local, Idaho newspaper and threw the wedding announcements down on the table.
“Read this,” his mother said. “It’ll make you sick.”
Okelberry’s father read the section and saw that it was the wedding announcement of a local news-radio anchor and his gay partner.
“My dad said that he was going to call the radio station and tell them he would no longer listen to the radio show because one of their DJs would chose to exhibit his homosexuality in that way,” Okelberry said.
The pressure and guilt placed on gay teens can be huge and at no fault of their own, Okelberry said.
It is not a choice to be gay, he said. Homophobia and misunderstanding can cause tension between gay Mormons and their families and friends. Okelberry couldn’t understand why his father would stop listening to one of his favorite talk shows simply because an employee at the radio station is gay.
Okelberry didn’t tell his parents that he was gay when he was a teenager because of the dislike his parents and community displayed toward gay people.
“It was as much to avoid being the topic of gossip as anything,” Okelberry said. “There’s a name to uphold, and my family is well known in that area my dad is even a Bishop. They see it as a total abomination”
In high school, Okelberry was involved in extracurricular activities. He was student body president, he ran for the cross-country team and played on the volleyball team.
“People used to ask me why I didn’t have a girlfriend, or they would try and set me up, but I had no attraction to women at all,” Okelberry said.
Okelberry said he knew other gay Mormon teenagers and when their parents found out, the teenagers had to go through long ordeals with church leaders and others in order to change their sexuality.
“All that would only make it worse for the guys,” Okelberry said. “It really messed with them.”
Slowly, Okelberry stopped going to church.He decided that he was never going to change and he may as well embrace that part of him.
Okelberry said despite all the homophobic things that the church has done, he has no hard feelings toward the Mormon Church.
“I don’t regret being raised Mormon,” he said. “I still respect the Mormon Church.”
Okelberry stopped going to church, while Rushton decided to seek support from other gay Mormons because of the misunderstandings that they face within their own religion.
Many Mormons think that being gay is a choice, which it isn’t, Rushton said. They also think that all gay people are child molesters, which is preposterous, he said. Other Mormons think that gay Mormons are less faithful or righteous.
“I have heard some of the most un-Christ like things inside a church,” Rushton said. “I once heard someone say in a church meeting that all gay people should be shot.”
Rushton advises gay Mormons to realize that they aren’t monsters, that they are normal people just like everyone else. Next, he tells them to interact with other gay Mormons, through blogging, online forums or events.
“There’s a whole community out there,” Rushton said. “We just normally don’t talk about it. It’s hidden, it’s too taboo.”
When members of the Mormon church realize someone they’ve known all their life is gay, it really changes their perception, Rushton said.
“We’re everywhere. In your average singles ward up here in Logan, there are probably about 15 gay guys,” Rushton said. “We love God too.”
And although Okelberry has chosen a different path than Rushton, their desired message is similar.
“We’re not out to get anybody,” Okelberry said. “We’re not going to hurt anyone. We’re just people, there’s no reason for anyone to be afraid of us.”
– seth.bracken@aggiemail.usu.edu
Help me understand the claim of your argument (and I need to add that this is a very kind inquiry and not accusatory or angry - I want to understand what you're saying because I see your argument as potentialy dangerous and flawed the way it is). It seems you are suggesting homosexuals do not benefit society because two men (or two women) cannot reproduce. Understandably so if left as is - society is founded on this simple act of procreation - but I'm curious what you would say about other groups of people that also cannot reproduce, or according to some people, "should not" reproduce. The list of people who cannot reproduce (or "should not" according to some people because of the potential damage the human genetic gene pool might suffer) is rather long and includes many disabilities and social conditions not limited to hermaphrodism, physical disability, social disorders (in that the disorder is an obstacle to social engagement that leads to dating and other behaviors that lead to sexual intimacy), etc. Such a perspective falls inline with eugenics...
Furthermore, it certainly does not make sense to me why God would place people on this earth who experience a myriad of complications and dysfunction. Hermaphrodites as an example used above. Isn't gender an essential part of mortal life? Why then would God place such people on earth? Are they not useless to society as well? They can't reproduce, and if they could, their condition might be genetic and passed on to their children.
I'm not at all suggesting that gender is not as important as the LDS Church teaches. And this is a good place to add that I am LDS. What I'm suggesting is that maybe we are not as smart as we think we are. Maybe there's something about the complications and dysfunctions we experience in this life that are essential to our education.
Arguing that God does not "make" men/women homosexual is like arguing that God does not "make" people with disability or mental illness (and I'm not at all comparing homosexuals to mentally ill or disabled people, but comparing several examples of things that are easy to misunderstand). All we need to do is look around us to see that, in fact, there are homosexuals, there are people with disabilities, there are people who experience all forms of difficulties and problems.
You may counter argue by saying that God did not "make" homosexuals or people with mental illness or disabilities. That still does not change the fact that there are people living with such conditions. You may continue to argue that such conditions are simply symptoms of natural processes that God created but allows to go on. But does God not also control the processes of nature? He invented those processes, right? So he could have made processes that did not include the natural processes that would lead to pain, suffering, complication, dysfunction, etc, etc.
You (dont_understand) may now argue that homosexuals are similar to pedophiles and rapists who slipped up someplace and deviated from normal development. In other words, your argument *might* be that God neither "makes" nor "prevents" such things from taking place but "allows" them to go on. But is this really the case? Can we say we *know* the mind of God in this regard?
I don't have answers, but I've learned that, for me, the best approach is to ask, "If there really is a God, and if he is sending people to earth with all forms of difficulties, what does he want us to learn from them?" As one who experiences attractions toward my own gender, as one who remains faithful to God and the tenets of the LDS Church despite these attractions, I can say God has not provided me with answers to the questions of how and for what reason and why. He has, however, as I've asked what I can learn, taught me that those other questions don't really matter. It doesn't matter if it's nature or nurture. It doesn't matter. What matters is what I can learn from this experience and what I can learn from the experiences of others. Rather than fight off the experiences you don't understand, you can be taught and educated in a profoundly divine way. As you learn, your gratitude toward will God will burgeon.
no matter what religion you believe in it seems weird to me that God (or whoever) would place people on this earth who were attracted to the same sex. because what benefit would they have to society? NONE.
what if everyone turned homosexual? then the world would cease to exsist because reproduction of humans would end.
Surely you can see the difference.
I happen to be gay, but that doesn't mean I'm attracted to all men. I like guys with brown hair and that are clean cut. I'm certainly not attracted to most men, actually.
I would imagine that you (i'm assuming you are a heterosexual) have a certain type of person you are attracted to and you don't really have control over that. You might like blondes that are in good shape. Awesome. THAT is what you are attracted to. Just like I'm attracted to people with brown hair and are clean cut, and they happen to be guys.
People act as if homosexuals are so different from heterosexuals, but really, there isn't much of a difference.
There are a lot of things I don't understand. I don't understand why people are the way they are (anti-gay, anti-Mormon, pro-gay, pro-Mormon, etc.). I don't know why there is so much controversy in the world. There are a lot of things in this world we don't understand. And I don't expect everyone to understand each other. The best thing I've found I can do is have charity. Love people like I think God would love them. Not tear them down or hurt or punish them- that I'll leave up to Him completely. But I think the best way to handle things is respectfully disagree and just understand that sometimes people just don't know the same things you know and vice versa.
Happy holidays, everyone.
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705343558/Mormon-Church-backs-protection-of-gay-rights-in-Salt-Lake-City.html
I think it's important to bring a few things about ECT to light. It's still practiced today, so far as I understand, with mentally ill patients. So far as I understand, the American Psychological Association (APA) even outlines provisions for it's use. This is important to note because ethical guidelines for therapy are much more strict today than they were in the past, and therefore it must be deemed by top professionals as an ethical practice when the APA's guidelines are followed. What is not currently deemed ethical (since 2006), according to the APA, is the use of aversion therapy (under which ECT falls) as a form of conversion therapy (therapeutically changing sexual orientation from homosexual to heterosexual).
If the discussion is about ECT as an ethical or non-ethical therapeutic approach, lets talk about that in the context of its uses -- all of them and not strictly its use with homosexuals back in the day when homosexuality was listed in the DSM.
If the discussion is about whether Mormons are led by God, maybe that should be saved for a different forum? But the discussion has been started and I'm skeptical about some of the logic used and how these arguments only fuel the fire of hatred between the two groups: Mormons and the Gays.
Again, this is kind and inquiring.
To the fella/gal arguing that "if the Mormons are lead by god, they would know that homosexuality is not a mental disorder": I want to be sure I understand you correctly, so please correct my misunderstandings kindly, should there be any, and bring some clarity to your argument.
The underlying assumption is that in order to be led by God a person or group of people must know everything there is to know about what is true and what is not. Am I understanding you correctly? And if I am understanding you correctly, another assumption to your claim is that the APA (the ones who removed homosexuality from the DSM) knows what is true and what is not concerning homosexuality, at least as far as it being or not being a mental disorder. Is this correct?
If it is, correct, then your argument, expanded for clarity, is actually "because the APA claims that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and removed it from the DSM, and because a people led by God will know everything there is to know about what is true and what is not, Mormons cannot be led by God because the APA discovered that homosexuality is not a mental disorder and removed it from the DSM." So how do you know that Mormons aren't led by God? Because the APA removed homosexuality from the DSM, (and because Mormons are led by God they should have known the APA would remove homosexuality from the DSM).
My take on the issue is that the APA can hardly be taken as a voice on what is true and what is not true, or at least that the APA is more profoundly affected by subjective opinion and political agendas than the LDS Church. In most cases, their decisions are determined by research. However, so far as I understand, despite voting within the APA regarding keeping or expunging homosexuality from the DSM, they ignored research and yielded to political and social pressure and expunged it. In other words, the majority voted to keep homosexuality in the DSM but somewhere along the lines it was expunged due to political and social pressure.
Contrastingly, if you look at the Church as an organization, its had relatively few changes, if any, in its doctrines and teachings and continues to thrive. I think that is worthy of praise regardless of whether the Church or its membership is bigoted or not. It's a very solid entity and will likely, organizationally speaking, continue to withstand outside pressure and attack.
Regardless, this is an invitation to clarify and strengthen your argument by addressing these questions:
1) What proof do you have that the APA got this one right - that homosexuality is not a diagnosable disorder? I'm not saying I believe this is true, but following the above logic in your argument, you should believably demonstrate that such is the case in order for you claim to prove itself true.
2) If homosexuality is not a mental disorder, then what is it? And if you answer a "sexual orientation", clarify. Some people believe it is a deviation from normal, natural sexuality, and they will need to be persuaded that it is not, in fact, a disorder.
3) Whatever homosexuality is, how does this relate back to Mormons not being led by God?
4) If Mormons aren't led by God, who or what leads them?
5) How does the thing or person that leads the Mormons relate back to your argument?
I would also like to discuss your claim that the Church is anti-gay. Please expound by answering these questions:
1) What does it mean to be anti-gay?
2) What behavior should you expect from a group that is anti-gay?
3) How have Mormons demonstrated and/or failed to demonstrate this behavior?
4) What does it mean to be "not anti-gay"?
5) What behavior do you expect from this group?
6) How have Mormons demonstrated and/or failed to demonstrate this behavior?
7) How do these behaviors (anti-gay and "not anti-gay) relate back to your argument about Mormons being anti-gay?
8) What doctrines and teachings should you expect from a group that is anti-gay?
9) What doctrines and teachings should you expect from a group that is "not anti-gay"?
10) How do these doctrines and teachings relate back to your argument of Mormons being anti-gay?
Here is one thing you may want to consider when addressing these questions:
"The Church does not object to rights (already established in California) regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights" (http://newsroom.lds.org/ldsnewsroom/eng/commentary/the-divine-institution-of-marriage).
Keep in mind that Mormons will turn to you and ask the same questions:
1) What does it mean to be anti-Mormon?
2) What behavior do you expect from someone who is anti-Mormon?
3) How have gays demonstrated and/or failed to demonstrate this behavior?
4) What does it mean to be "not anti-Mormon"?
5) What behavior do you expect from this group?
6) How have gays demonstrated and/or failed to demonstrate this behavior?
As I doubt gays as a group have official doctrines and teachings, I'll leave out the remaining questions...
Anyway, these last six questions serve as a caution to not fall into the same behavior you're arguing against. If you really do believe Mormons are anti-gay, and if you disagree with them being anti-gay, be careful not to become anti-Mormon in the process. Otherwise, your arguments will make it nowhere with the Mormons. They'll only get defensive, hate you, and generalize your hate toward the broader population of gays and those who support them. In other words, you're adding fuel to the fire, so be careful. I don't think that's what you want, and it is not what I want.
Also keep in mind that all Mormons who read your post could easily feel the same way about you as you feel about them. This back-and-forth objection to one another will only prevent any real discussion from happening. It will also stop real progress toward healing, understanding, and kindness. I think you and I would agree that we could use more of this - healing, understanding, and kindness - in the world.
Many of the details of the mormon's participation in shock therapy comes from the book, Peculiar People: Mormons and Same-Sex Orientation.
And if Church leaders "condoned" shock therapy as you suggest, you should be able to produce a reference or document of some kind, so what is your source? It sounds like you are suggesting that Thomas S. Monson or some other Church leader called up BYU and said, "Hey, here are some homosexuals. I want you to shock them into being heterosexual."
Or exactly how did it all go down? Do you know?
Mormon Church - Homophobic.
I agree with the earlier post. You're all splitting hairs. if the Mormons are lead by god, they would know that homosexuality is not a mental disorder. The leaders condoned the research by allowing to take place in their church-run university.
Sorry, but deal with it. The Mormon church messed up and is anti-gay.